Forming Exploratory Voyages Group/Event

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Originally Posted by Lumino

I am 120% against doing it as 3 pre existing flights. The absolute last thing we want to do is encourage clicey behavior. We're a huge FC, and we are gonna have a LOT of people who want to do it when the patch drops.

I'd say that we should probably just run them as often as we can at the start. Fill up the ships as much as we can, and go. Once the hype dies down, then we can start assigning individual days for it. It's silly to do it now, because as soon as the 10th rolls around, everyone is gonna be chomping at the bit to go.

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:rolleyes:

cliques inevitably form out of massive groups. AKS does its best to work around this timeless social issue. so, going on a crusade to discourage 'cliquey behavior' is basically saying people shouldn't find their own friend groups in this giant FC. i think that's a toxic attitude to hold. there are many options for social circles in MMOs. AKS is an option where you have to deal with the ins and outs of a larger than usual memberbase. part of dealing with it ends up sometimes finding one or two or three special people you might cram into a mumble channel with more than others, while still opening yourself up in-game to runs and things.

i know you're trying to come off as selfless with this post but it came out as the complete opposite. it might be attractive to newer members who are still looking for friends here (p.s.to newer members, be my friend, i'm sorta neat), but it's misleading as the post is self-serving. AKS does its very, very best to include everyone, and encourages participation in and with flights. please don't create spectres out of the idea of cliques in a large fc. it ironically becomes the root cause of drama and hostility.

admittedly, what we know as of today regarding the restrictions on exploration are definitely enough to cause a lot of worry, and i don't think dialogue between members about this should be discouraged. but at the same time, i'm tired of the attitude that 'cliques are terrible! people are excluding me!' because it's not true and i've seen it cause so many problems that shouldn't have been problems at all. people look out for each other. that doesn't mean everyone has to be in the same chatroom, but most of us are here because we want to clear content with like-minded people. and we do.

Ok,so.
1) holy crap actual discussion,yay!
2) I'm seeing a good deal of talk about the 8 man party case, whereas I'm more interested/concerned with the 24 man case. More specifically the organization of a recurring event.

Maybe I have misjudged the situation, but I don't see a 24 man pickup group happening on the fly just because. I see people wanting to, even trying to, but then getting blocked by discord, timetables and unintended ship ninjaing.

That's what I aim to minimize and hopefully prevent entirely. Cuz damn it I want to see a army of knights feasting on brachiosaurus.

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Originally Posted by Grimm Stronghammer

I don't see a 24 man pickup group happening on the fly just because.

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http://i.imgur.com/5QdBVLe.jpg

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Originally Posted by Grimm Stronghammer

I know that full parties can go In from ishgard (not sure about alliances) but then they are locked out of the hard mode and really thats where the meat of the rewards are. So yes it will help if people aren't particular who they are grouped with or are just trying it out, but if they are going for loot it won't be much help.

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I don't see anything about a lock out in the live letter translation. Did I miss something?

i wanted to just add a small aside here to harmonize with what lumpy mentioned.

there are people (maybe a fair amount?) in this FC that are very shy and social anxious people. Through force (either having to run with someone), bravery and courage on their own part to face their own social anxiety demons, or a slowly growing socially with a small group of people that they interact with begin to open up with members of the FC verbally and textually. the cliques happen because it is a smaller and digestible amount of social interaction for those that are timid. having a vast and sprawling channel of members all talking and discussing can also be daunting for someone that may want to speak up and say something but might not have the confidence to be socially assertive or talk over someone. I think these are some very valid points and reasons in our little micro environment that we live in that show us some hints as to why people act/react the way they do.

some people may actively mean to exclude others because of drama, dislike, or indifference, but i have to hope that the reasons it would happen are more internal sheepishness versus malicious intent.

try to keep that in context some when coloring the social landscape of the FC. not everyone is stonewalling you out of their circle of conversation, some people just clam up with those they don't know.

Carry on my dear knights!

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Originally Posted by Grimm Stronghammer

Ok,so.
1) holy crap actual discussion,yay!
2) I'm seeing a good deal of talk about the 8 man party case, whereas I'm more interested/concerned with the 24 man case. More specifically the organization of a recurring event.

Maybe I have misjudged the situation, but I don't see a 24 man pickup group happening on the fly just because. I see people wanting to, even trying to, but then getting blocked by discord, timetables and unintended ship ninjaing.

That's what I aim to minimize and hopefully prevent entirely. Cuz damn it I want to see a army of knights feasting on brachiosaurus.

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Also, we used to get 24 people together for CT/ST/WoD all the time. It happens. :) And if not, then the gaps can be filled with folks outside the FC.

I think the biggest issue isn't getting the 24 people together to do a run, its that if we have a ship out on something, and a group of 24 starts forming and then a group of 8 takes another ship out, we're down 1 ship. I have no question that we can get a group of 24 people rocked out cocked out and ready to go. But dem ships...

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Originally Posted by Crunchy

having a vast and sprawling channel of members all talking and discussing can also be daunting for someone that may want to speak up and say something but might not have the confidence to be socially assertive or talk over someone.

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3 words: Sehr and Mancakes.

I kid, I kid... or do I?

So depending on how it works, I'd suggest a static 2 to 3 days a week when 24 man raids have full access to the ships, and then the other days of the week its straight first come first serve, or something. This is also contingent on not being able to just use the ishgard ports to access the content we want.

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Originally Posted by Runestone

This is all contingent on not being able to just use the ishgard ports to access the content we want.

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I fixed this for you ;)

It's good to spitball, but let's not put the cart before the horse. None of all this debate may even be necessary.